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Is God real like the daisies, or real like ‘I love you’?

26 May, 2006

What do we mean by “God” in the 21st century?

If we say God is “real,” do we mean the reality of things that have an independent existence, like daisies, or the reality of wholly human values like love, compassion, beauty and justice?

These are the questions tackled by David Boulton, in the collection of essays with this title. I highly recommend it.

http://www.sofn.org.uk/Bibliography/real_like_the_daisies.htm

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  1. 31 July, 2006 6:09 pm

    God isn’t real

  2. Jerry permalink
    15 March, 2007 8:42 pm

    GOD and Geometry

    Why is the Pythagorean Theorem called the Pythagorean Theorem? Well, for one reason because a dude named Pythagoras came up with it. Why though is it a Theorem? That’s because for well over 2000 years academia has been trying to “prove” it, which would make it a law. They haven’t succeeded yet, and so it’s still just a “theory” to them.
    To the contractor that wants to make sure that the foundation he’s building is square and true, it makes no difference whether some guys can prove on paper that it’s a law. Heck, most contractors don’t even use the term “Pythagorean Theorem”. To them it’s just the 3,4,5 rule. To the carpenter that needs to know exactly how long to cut the roof joists on a house, this “theory” is more than trustworthy enough to be used every time to calculate how long the board needs to be. Ask anyone that uses this “theorem” in their everyday life if they are afraid to trust it, because some mathematician can’t prove it’s trustworthy, and they’d just laugh. They know it’s trustworthy, they’ve seen it prove itself absolutely every time they’ve worked with it. To those that consider it just an abstract idea, it may be an unproven theory; but to those who work with and trust it it’s as real as the product that they created using it.
    GOD is like that. Only most of academia has been trying to disprove HIM instead of prove HIM. To those that consider HIM only as an abstract idea, HE is unproven and therefore not to be considered an absolute law. To those of us who work with GOD everyday, to those whom HE has proven HIMSELF absolutely every time, HE is as real as the world HE created.
    If you want to spend all of your time sitting in a room pondering the reality of the Pythagorean Theorem, history tells us you will never find your proof. If you want to see the reality of it, find someone using it to lay a foundation and see it prove itself. You’ll find such a person anywhere something is being built. If you want to spend all of your time sitting in a room pondering the reality of GOD, history tells us you will never find your proof. If you want to see the reality of HIM, find someone using HIM as the foundation for their lives and see HIM prove HIMSELF. You’ll find such a person in just about any church.

  3. 16 March, 2007 11:57 pm

    Thanks.
    You’re right that believing in something can have positive effects in people’s lives, even if the existence of that something is at present ultimately unprovable. That’s the power of the mind.
    The question addressed in the book I quote here is about the kind of reality we should use when thinking about God – real like a real person, or real like real feelings and relatonships.

  4. Jerry permalink
    19 March, 2007 3:55 pm

    To state that believing in GOD is beneficial only because of the “power of the mind” is to dismiss GOD as a reality. That is something that is only done by those that do not know HIM, that do not have a real experience with HIM.
    What kind of reality should we use when thinking about GOD? That depends, as I said in my first posting, on whether or not you are sitting in some room alone pondering HIS existence; or if you are ready to step out of your sterile womb of mental exercises and really experience HIM.
    Your question reminds me of the meaningless and simplistic expercise my college philosophy class did. ‘How do you know that Paris exists right now?’ A few million Parisians would laugh at that question. How do you know that GOD exist right now? A few million believers would laugh at that question everyday, if the consequences for the asker weren’t so sad.
    I challenge you all to move beyond this kind of sterile debate with no real resolution, and try a more experiential approach. In other words, stop talking about HIM and try talking to HIM.

  5. 19 March, 2007 11:16 pm

    Yep. Maybe I should give it a try.
    I’d sure be interested to find out what it is about HIM that makes you so sure you’re experiencing a HIM and not a HER or an IT.
    With which of your senses do you experience the gender of your GOD?

  6. Jerry permalink
    23 March, 2007 9:47 pm

    Why don’t you ask HIM yourself? Again you want to stay in your sterile little cubicle and talk about HIM as if HE wasn’t there. I have experienced GOD in many different ways in my life.
    Both man and woman are created in HIS image. HE therefore has aspects that translate in created beings as male and female. HE is spirit, and has no sex per se. I refer to HIM using masculine pronouns for the simple reason that HE refers to HIMSELF using masculine pronouns.
    To try and lure me into a feminism debate is only a transparent attempt on your part to maintain the same meaningless conversation based on pseudo-intellectual philosophies. My challenge to you still stands. Get out of the mental womb of meaningless debate and make yourself vulnerable to responding to actual truth. Reality is an awesome experience. The GOD that created reality is even more awesome.

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